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Last Post By: oldman3000t ON: Tue May 13, 2008 5:02 pm
Topic By: oldman3000t ON: Tue May 13, 2008 5:02 pm
The first thing everybody should know is it takes the same amout of btu to give a 80 degree rise in a tank type water heater or tankless. I would not use a tankless with kids in the house, when they have unlimited hot water they never get out of the shower. The major problem is no one installs to code or size the gas pipe correctly. It takes a lot of money to install correctly and if you live in the house for 20 years it may pay for it self.

Mike
San Diego

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Last Post By: Thumper ON: Tue May 13, 2008 1:33 am
Topic By: Thumper ON: Tue May 13, 2008 1:33 am
Here is Moen website on how to replace the cartridge #1222B
http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/instruct ... NS746F.pdf
Did you remove the clip first?
If you haven't gotten it off yet you will probably need the cartridge puller made by Moen. Be careful because the are 2 different styles. You will need the bigger puller made for the latest style of cartridge, model # 1222B I believe. If you can spin the cartridge body you have a chance. There was one cartridge I couldn't pull out so I left the water on to help push the cartridge out.Be prepared to get wet and I didn't have the correct puller at the time. It really makes it easier.
Let us know if you succeed.

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Last Post By: whoknockstheox ON: Mon May 12, 2008 6:55 pm
Topic By: whoknockstheox ON: Mon May 12, 2008 6:55 pm
(Mods; Please move if this post belongs elsewhere.

I posted about teaching Plumbing Isometrics a bit ago, now I would like general tips on how to teach plumbing. I think I know what my third year students need to know. However I find that I wish more and more that I could spare the time to learn to teach. I would like specifics if you can share them, what works, what doesn't seem to work. Can you say why it didn't work?
(Lecturing doesn't seem to work very well for me. I think that it's because the apprentices have worked all day and especially during Northern Indiana winters they are warm for the first time all day and in addition they are sitting down.)

Thanks

OX

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Last Post By: whoknockstheox ON: Mon May 12, 2008 6:42 pm
Topic By: whoknockstheox ON: Mon May 12, 2008 6:42 pm
(Mods, I am not seeing where this would be best posted, but move if you think it belongs elsewhere.)

I am a Plumbing Inspector for a Northern Indiana Municipality, I also teach Third year Plumbing Apprentices at the local apprentice school. I am interested in recommendations for teaching material about how to teach Plumbing Isometrics, if any one knows of a good source of information and would pass it on.

Thanks
OX

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Last Post By: PLUMBILL ON: Mon May 12, 2008 2:33 pm
Topic By: PLUMBILL ON: Mon May 12, 2008 2:33 pm
Hopefully you got it right when you cleaned the valve. The plumbing theories concerning your problem you have posted are not rational and it does not pay to guess when dealing with hot water.

http://www.waterheaterblast.com/

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Last Post By: PLUMBILL ON: Mon May 12, 2008 2:33 pm
Topic By: BertBertBert ON: Mon May 12, 2008 12:32 pm
This turned out to be the backflow not seating all the way. Cleaned the valve and that fixed it.

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Last Post By: BertBertBert ON: Mon May 12, 2008 12:30 pm
Topic By: BertBertBert ON: Mon May 12, 2008 12:30 pm
I took the backflow valve apart and found a small piece of solder and a piece of flashing from the vavle. After that the noise has not come back. I think the valve was not seating all the way.

The banging stoped when I figured out that I had a check valve in the wrong place and the water heater was makeing too much pressure.

It's all the way it should be now, silent........

Thanks for the info anyway.

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Last Post By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Sun May 11, 2008 12:21 pm
Topic By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Sun May 11, 2008 12:21 pm
[b][size=150][/size][/b]Why not give me a call as I did this for someone else

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Last Post By: BertBertBert ON: Mon May 12, 2008 12:30 pm
Topic By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Sat May 10, 2008 2:11 pm
Thanks for the info, sounds like there is more toys to play with in the sand box after all "Mikey". [/quote]

Oh yes lots of plumbing toys to play with and if your hearing a chattering sound then you may have indeed used the wrong type..There is a soft seat check that will prevent the metal hitting metal BANG

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Last Post By: BertBertBert ON: Mon May 12, 2008 12:30 pm
Topic By: PLUMBILL ON: Sat May 10, 2008 12:11 pm
First, there are many types of backfolw protction valves and the correct type to install depends on what you are using it for?

I don't think this valve is for your sump pump or building drain but it could be for your well, hot or water circulating system? If it's on your water piping for your well you could go with a spring loaded check valve and they also have a valve on the market called "Quiet Valve" that could take care of your problem.

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Last Post By: BertBertBert ON: Mon May 12, 2008 12:30 pm
Topic By: BertBertBert ON: Fri May 09, 2008 3:42 pm
I myself have only seen these two so I figured I should be using one or the other.

My system is fairly simple res. plumbing issue. I have installed the swing type that is available from most major harware stores in my system. I have noise so I was thinking maybe it is the wrong type of valve for my setup.

I'm going to inspect my valve tonight and see if it any reason for it not to work like dirt or a piece of solder in it.

Thanks for the info, sounds like there is more toys to play with in the sand box after all "Mikey".

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Last Post By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Fri May 09, 2008 10:33 am
Topic By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Fri May 09, 2008 10:33 am
What do you mean you HEARD? who told you buy the water heater first?

What is the TOTAL allowable BTU gas service to this building, how much is the BTU input of the heater ? How many gallons is this heater Do you have a tempering valve? Are you going to use a master meter. do you have a separate flue for the gas as one should NOT normally connect a gas appliance where oil burning equipment is as oil is a moist fuel and natural is dry and if the chimney is not properly maintained you get a chimney decay from the sulphuric acid from the moisture and soot.

Normally a licensed plumber gives the utility a TOTAL load letter to make sure the street (gas) service is adequate then filing the job and having the piping tested and inspected.

Is this like buying a car and then going for a drivers license? As someone said BUY THE CAR THEN GET A LICENSE?

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Last Post By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Fri May 09, 2008 10:19 am
Topic By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Fri May 09, 2008 10:19 am
NYC including Queens because of the population and dangers associated with DIY people does NOT allow people to their own plumbing even for a one family dwelling.

What normally happens in these cases is someone installs a sink or bathroom and then when they are going to sell their home it gets picked up and they are now in violation of the C of O and the fines can be quite expensive from the building department combined with other city agencies as everyone now wants a piece of the action.

The building dept fines are relatively low compared to the others with normally start of @$2,000 then there is the filing fees to legalize the work by hiring a registered architect and then hiring a LMP to redo everything.

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Last Post By: BertBertBert ON: Mon May 12, 2008 12:30 pm
Topic By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Fri May 09, 2008 10:06 am
[b]Ah if it was just that easy,,,, Very few peole went to class that day and I was fortunate to have attended "Check Valve U" and the following is a rule of thumb... Gate valves SWING Check Globe pattern lift type..A Spring check is a positive check BUT offers a lot more restriction and once the spring comes into contact with mineral or debris it can be rendered useless. Then there is soft seat checks and ball checks and a variety of patterns like a Y check There is no such thing as one check or one valve that serves all applications [/b]

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Last Post By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Fri May 09, 2008 9:58 am
Topic By: Sylvan Tieger ON: Fri May 09, 2008 9:58 am
I saw one OLD cast iron rad that some how they managed to put at an angle (curve)